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Scandal of December 2005 km

by IT Support in

the december canadian kingdom ministry has an article "could your child make a mature decision.

" it instructs parents to indoctrinate their kids to refuse blood and make themselves a martyr.

this, to me, was one of the most chilling sentences in the article (paragraph 3):

IT Support

blondie, thanks for posting this old article. Some things never change.

Severus, thank you for this. Do you have, or can you get, a scan of the article?

hideme, thank you. Similarly, do you have, or can you get, a scan of the article?

((((Balsam)))) We can only guess at the despair and agonies you must have gone through.

skeeter1, are you referring to the 1992 km article, or the 2005 one?

The 1992 article specifically refers to the 1944 Supreme Court decision, in the context that parents do not have unlimited authority over their children medical decisions, which ties in with jgnat's case study.

The 2005 article refers to a case in the Illinois Supreme Court over a mature minor's right to refuse blood.

However, I didn't understand where the Society was lying. Would you mind explaining it in layman's language? Sorry if I'm slow following your line of reasoning! Many thanks.

(I hope you and the family are now feeling better.)

((((caligirl))))

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Can anyone confirm that the article appears in the British and Australian kms?

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Scandal of December 2005 km

by IT Support in

the december canadian kingdom ministry has an article "could your child make a mature decision.

" it instructs parents to indoctrinate their kids to refuse blood and make themselves a martyr.

this, to me, was one of the most chilling sentences in the article (paragraph 3):

IT Support

Nobody knows whether it's in the US or UK or Australian editions?

How about other languages--Franch, German, Spanish, Portuguese, Swedish, Norwegian, Polish, Italian, Russian?

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Scandal of December 2005 km

by IT Support in

the december canadian kingdom ministry has an article "could your child make a mature decision.

" it instructs parents to indoctrinate their kids to refuse blood and make themselves a martyr.

this, to me, was one of the most chilling sentences in the article (paragraph 3):

IT Support

The December Canadian Kingdom Ministry has an article "Could Your Child Make a Mature Decision." It instructs parents to indoctrinate their kids to refuse blood and make themselves a martyr. This, to me, was one of the most chilling sentences in the article (paragraph 3):

Would they courageously defend their firm decision about blood if doctors believed that their life was in jeopardy, even if their parents were not present?

You can just image the parents of a suicide bomber telling their kid that they love them more than anything else in the world, but their eternal life is even more important, so they should go, with their blessing.

Anyway, does this article appear in amy other country's Kingdom Ministry? If so, would you scan it and email it to me (pm me for my email address)?

Many thanks.

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Where is Hilary Step

by stillajwexelder in

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where on earth is hilary step?

he has posted just once in 6 months.

i miss his razor sharp intellect - and i hope he does not take offense but slightly arrogant air.

IT Support

I gather he's well, but keeping extrememly busy with his business interests.

I guess he just haven't have enough hours in the day...

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Watchtower to sell many presses - who gets the money?

by Dogpatch in

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while jehovah's witnesses all over the world are out of work, or wondering where their next meal might come from, or ravished from the results of devastating hurricanes, the watchtower society has taken the contributions from the very pockets of their own members and are now selling the very equipment that their faithful members contributed for.

if the equipment listed below is still in "good technical condition" as the offer describes, then why is it being sold?

why was "new" equipment purchased if this equipment is still in good working order?

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[email protected]

I thought it was interesting to see the format of a valid WT email address (they've been very reluctant to give these out). This looks new. It looks like they're now concentrating around the single domain, wtbts.org, using subdomains ('de' in this instance) for each country...

Can anyone confirm this? Does anyone know any up-to-date WT email addresses? Any from non-US branches would be especially helpful!

(For the sake of--primarily your!--privacy, it's fine to leave off the part to the left of the '@' symbol.)

Thanks.

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Letter to Irish newspaper

by IT Support in

last week there were reports of the sad death of a young irish jw, sarah o'leary.

i haven't noticed if anyone else wrote to the irish newspapers, but this is the letter i wrote:

gorey echo, friday 2 dec: "father tells of sorrow on losing sarah" .

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skeeter1,

JW children are taken away from their parents when they need blood.

And to think WT has the gall to say only they will survive Armageddon because only they show the true love of Christ...

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Attn: XJW Community--Let's not just complain about WT-Let's be ACTIVISTS!!

by AndersonsInfo in

there are many ways that we can actively protest against the watchtower's unjust and damaging policies.

here is one example of a method that is proving successful.

writing a letter is time-consuming for the author, but the results are worth it.

IT Support

I agree with willyloman:

And there's the key right there, "one carefully drafted letter...."

For what it's worth, I'll put my neck on the block and offer for brickbats--or bouquets--my recent letter to Irish newspapers:

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Letter to Irish newspaper

by IT Support in

last week there were reports of the sad death of a young irish jw, sarah o'leary.

i haven't noticed if anyone else wrote to the irish newspapers, but this is the letter i wrote:

gorey echo, friday 2 dec: "father tells of sorrow on losing sarah" .

IT Support

skeeter1,

Does the money ever go from the Society to the local congregations?

You mean, in the sense that pigs might fly?

How much do they have in investments anyway?

This page is a starting point:

There are loads more here on JWD...

By the way, welcome to JWD!!

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Letter to Irish newspaper

by IT Support in

last week there were reports of the sad death of a young irish jw, sarah o'leary.

i haven't noticed if anyone else wrote to the irish newspapers, but this is the letter i wrote:

gorey echo, friday 2 dec: "father tells of sorrow on losing sarah" .

IT Support

funkyderek,

It is a damning indictment of this religion that the child's life is not the primary issue for the parents, and that even the most devoted JW parents are willing to sacrifice their children in order to follow its rules.

Spot on. You hit the nail on the head.

Any parent who could allow their child to die doesn't deserve to be a parent. Their humanity--never mind their love for their child--ought to override the religions diktats, irrespective of the personal cost to them in terms of disfellowshipping, etc.

Barbara,

I totally agree that, as a community, we should make far greater use of the Letters to the Editor sections of our newspapers.

stillajwexelder,

MONEY - that might make them rethink!

We're on the same wavelength, then!

Pistoff,

Is it fear of sounding extreme that keeps us from calling this what it really is, child sacrifice?

Possibly.

Most statistics support the fact that the majority of witness children leave the religion; on that basis the practice of parents' refusing blood for their minor children is unconscionable.

I didn't realise there were any such statistics. Are they reliable? Is there a web page for them?

From my personal experience and gut instinct, I would agree with you that the majority of JW kids do leave, I was just surprised to learn someone had been able to compile accurate statistics.

Another salient point: if the Watchtower changed it's policy tomorrow, the majority would happily abandon it. This puts the lie to the idea that each individual witness makes this choice based on personal belief and choice.

Absolutely right. Unless, of course, they all get 'new light.'

Simultaneously.

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Letter to Irish newspaper

by IT Support in

last week there were reports of the sad death of a young irish jw, sarah o'leary.

i haven't noticed if anyone else wrote to the irish newspapers, but this is the letter i wrote:

gorey echo, friday 2 dec: "father tells of sorrow on losing sarah" .

IT Support

Last week there were reports of the sad death of a young Irish JW, Sarah O'Leary.

I haven't noticed if anyone else wrote to the Irish newspapers, but this is the letter I wrote:

Gorey Echo, Friday 2 Dec: "Father tells of sorrow on losing Sarah" http://www.unison.ie/gorey_echo/stories.php3?ca=38&si=1519384&issue_id=13366 This was a tragic story of the death of a young girl from her injuries in a car accident, complicated by her Jehovah's Witness parent's refusal to consent to a blood transfusion. However, the situation whereby courts make Jehovah's Witness children wards of the State allows their parents to abdicate their responsibility for the consequences of their foolish and misguided beliefs. W hat I thought most telling was when Sarah O'Leary's father said : "It is always a difficult decision to make for any Witness family but, for us, it wasn’t a great test of our faith because we knew that the doctors would have to do this." No doubt the father is sincere when he says it was a "difficult decision," but the harsh reality is there was no decision about it, because as soon as the parents refused to consent to a blood transfusion, they knew the S tate would step in and grant it . And while I've no doubt he meant it when he said it was a "difficult decision," I'll wager he and his wife were extremely grateful to know that the S tate would step in to help their child. How can it be a "difficult decision" when you know for a fact that the State will shield your child from the possibly fatal consequences of your foolishness ? So though the father was no doubt sincere when he said that it was a "difficult dec i sion," he betrayed how he really felt about it when he went on to admit , "it wasn't a great test of our faith." But how much has the State, by requiring the courts to intervene in such decisions and thereby letting Jehovah's Witness parents 'off the hook , ' permitted the Watchtower Society (the Jehovah's Witness headquarters organisation) to perpetuate their 'blood policy' without consequence? While in this instance Sarah sadly died despite receiving a blood transfusion, on other occasions similarly-aged children in similar circumstances have successfully persuaded a court that they fully support their religion's tenets and have therefore been allowed to refuse potentially life-saving treatments. Courts do not usually intervene where adult Jehovah's Witnesses are involved, and newspapers around the world report their deaths with depressing regularity. Individual Jehovah's Witnesses do not independently reach the conclusion that blood transfusions are unscriptural, but do so as a result of being repeatedly told, in the literature of the Watchtower Society, that blood transfusions clearly contravene God's laws in the Bible and the hazards of damaged immunity, infection and disease make them just not worth the risk, anyway. The question therefore arises: a s the corporate ' controlling mind ' behind the teachings that result in thousands of ritual suicides, how much responsibility ought the Watchtower Society bear for the consequent costs of their beliefs, towards society in general and the grieving families in particular? For example, the Watchtower Society urges its followers to request 'non-blood medical management,' which includes injections of erythropoietin, a hugely expensive hormone which, over time, stimulates the body's own production of red blood cells and thus, they reason, reduces the necessity of blood transfusion. Is it reasonable for our health care system to bear this expense? Families lose fathers, mothers and children and the financial impact on the family can be catastrophic. Is it reasonable for our social security system to bear this expense? In addition, families who lose fathers, mothers and children are left to deal with chronic emotional trauma, and the financial impact can be equally devastating. Is it again reasonable for our social security system to also bear this expense? Perhaps a law that required such a 'controlling mind' to reimburse our health care system and to provide proper financial compensation for families, might cause those leading such organisations to rethink their irresponsible policies. I fully sympathise with the O'Learys over the tragic loss of their daughter. What they have been through must be a parent's worst nightmare. But I can have no sympathy whatsoever with a religious organisation that deliberately encourages their followers to refuse potentially life-saving medical treatment. Regards,

The addresses I sent it to are: